More Bots in game it seems? - Guild Wars Forums

Show Some Skin · Nov 10, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I noticed that there alot more bots in-game than there was a few weeks ago. I do JQ regularly and i always see the same bots which has been a few months already. Plus theres the same bots advertising their website in GtoB and seems they never are banned. Does a-net or whoever ever do anything about bots or leechers?

Shayne Hawke · Nov 10, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I think they do, but it's not visible.

And I think other players report them for botting, but it's not visible.

dr love · Nov 10, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

there's also some kind of monk bots that farm orr emblems, unid golds, lockpicks and dust. they then sell that stuff for under market price.

gremlin · Nov 10, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

does it really matter ?

Someone finds a way to use a build that exploits game mechanics and farms items, that's ok even though its against the spirit of the game.
Then they write some code and hey presto the computer farms for them.

Prices tumble so what ?

If your after those items it makes it easier for you, its only tough luck on someone trying to get rich farming but not botting.

Would it spoil my enjoyment of the game if all materials were available for 1 gold, I doubt it I would still play the game the same way.

Gift3d · Nov 10, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

won't bother me until somehow bots actually effect the parts of the game that actually matter.

i.e. not some pve jq crap. it's not a big deal, there's bots in every game. no point in getting worked up over something that doesn't matter at all.

brainiac · Nov 10, 2009, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by gremlin

does it really matter ?

Someone finds a way to use a build that exploits game mechanics and farms items, that's ok even though its against the spirit of the game.
Then they write some code and hey presto the computer farms for them.

Prices tumble so what ?

If your after those items it makes it easier for you, its only tough luck on someone trying to get rich farming but not botting.

Would it spoil my enjoyment of the game if all materials were available for 1 gold, I doubt it I would still play the game the same way.

Don't think you get the point. A bot is an automated thing that does that at a much faster rate than humans. It's not illegal for players to use builds in a certain way to beat the mechanics. It's the botting itself that is illegal, regardless of what the bot is doing.

Shut A You Face · Nov 10, 2009, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by dbulger

there's also some kind of monk bots that farm orr emblems, unid golds, lockpicks and dust. they then sell that stuff for under market price.

Monk/Mesmers out of Bergen Hot Springs. They have been there for more than 2 years.

Lux Aeterna · Nov 10, 2009, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

won't bother me until somehow bots actually effect the parts of the game that actually matter.

The same companies that bot also hack large numbers of accounts, responsible for the recent huge upsurge in hacks.
One person, upon recovering their hacked account, found their one remaining character in 55 monk gear at Bergen...

Schnellburg · Nov 10, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by brainiac

Don't think you get the point. A bot is an automated thing that does that at a much faster rate than humans. It's not illegal for players to use builds in a certain way to beat the mechanics. It's the botting itself that is illegal, regardless of what the bot is doing.

So does this mean the drunkard bot which I know thousands upon thousands of people have used to max drunkard is illegal? Even though they said its fine, as long as your sitting at your computer?

You can't ban/completely stop the bots. You just have to deal with it. And in many ways its not doing anything faster then a human, its just doing the work for us. Most of the times the bots are slower, and if they encounter a problem, they are fubar'd and can't get the job done

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

The same companies that bot also hack large numbers of accounts, responsible for the recent huge upsurge in hacks.
One person, upon recovering their hacked account, found their one remaining character in 55 monk gear at Bergen...

And you know this how? Are you working at 1 of these companies? If you aren't, then don't spread slander, and word of mouth is exactly a precise way of saying the truth.

AtomicMew · Nov 10, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

So does this mean the drunkard bot which I know thousands upon thousands of people have used to max drunkard is illegal? Even though they said its fine, as long as your sitting at your computer?

It's illegal if it performs actions that requires no human input. And they never said it was fine. Nice try though.

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You can't ban/completely stop the bots. You just have to deal with it. And in many ways its not doing anything faster then a human, its just doing the work for us. Most of the times the bots are slower, and if they encounter a problem, they are fubar'd and can't get the job done

It is entirely possible for A.net to ban botters. There really are no more than a dozen at a time, atm. It's not impossible. During HFFF days, they did in fact put in a half-baked effort to ban people, including myself and a few friends. The fact is A.net really just don't care.

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And you know this how? Are you working at 1 of these companies? If you aren't, then don't spread slander, and word of mouth is exactly a precise way of saying the truth.

Slander only matters if actually hurts the person you are talking about. Botters/hackers don't give a crap what you think, tbh.

Schnellburg · Nov 10, 2009, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by traversc

It's illegal if it performs actions that requires no human input. And they never said it was fine. Nice try though.

Then why aren't people getting banned for using it, or textmod? Both are 3rd party programs that Anet seems to be fine with. When was the last time you honestly saw someone get banned for drunk bot/textmod?

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Originally Posted by traversc

It is entirely possible for A.net to ban botters. There really are no more than a dozen at a time, atm. It's not impossible. During HFFF days, they did in fact put in a half-baked effort to ban people, including myself and a few friends. The fact is A.net really just don't care.

I'm pretty sure there are more then a dozen at a time in the game at any given moment. It may be possible but they won't ban any of the botters. Yes it will be a waste of their time, and they can't really afford to ban them as if they pull their focus off of pleasing the people who play this game, they will lose more players. I mean do they have people QQing about Shadow Form non-stop, why would they bother with Bots? They are a low rung on their ladder to deal with.

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Slander only matters if actually hurts the person you are talking about. Botters/hackers don't give a crap what you think, tbh.

I bet those companies who sell gold would beg to differ. Publicity is still publicity, whether it be good or bad. But would you want someone spreading bad crap about you around? I assure you that you wouldn't, and I'm positive those companies are the same.

Rushin Roulette · Nov 10, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

If you want to see Bots, just go to the Bergen Bot Springs outpost, home of the everlasting Monk-Conga-Line ?????.

As for anyone saying botting is illegal, or people wont get banned for botting (Especially the one comment about drunk bots).

Point 1. Botting is NOT Illegal, but it is against Anets EULA. Meaning. If you bot, then you will definitely not be running the risk of any prison or financial fine. What you WILL be risking is getting a suspension or a ban for the account in question as the game and any character or item on the account is still property of Anet.

Point 2. Bots that change part of the game (be it client, Memory or Gameserver side... especially gameserver side) can be detected by Anet. Just because a client running a bot has not been banned does not mean that you are immune for ever. It just means that either Anet have not thought of detecting that particular bot or they are currently not interested in banning for that particular bot at the moment. If Anet wanted to, they would be allowed to ban at any time (See point 1). it is then up to the disgression of Anet to un-ban you if you are friendly enough to the Support service person (remember; "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" fits really well in such a situation).
Just ask any System administrator what can be detected in an active network(If you are playing GW, then you are part of the network) ona client machine.

Point 3. Text mod is not a bot, it is a mod. it changes the graphics display of your game, not the soft and sometimes annoying part of the system that is needed to play the game (aka the Wetware). Bots make the player obsolete. The programs automatically play the game without human interaction. This also includes any Drunk-bots.

Point 4. Grey areas do exist. Software Drunkbots are not permitted by the EULA, but Hardware bots, such as the programmable keys on Some Keyboards, are allowed and this has been publicly stated on GWG by the CRM at the time (Gaile Grey.. sorry if I misspelt the name). I can theoretically make a perfect drunk bot with my G11 Keyboard as I can include mouse commands and fixed intervals between commands and then set it to an infinitely repeating sequence. I wouldnt risk it though as it can easily be mistaken fro a software drunkbot. The same is true for any other farming type bot (if I had enough time and would want to, then a Bergens Bot would be easily possible).

Eragon Zarroc · Nov 10, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Show Some Skin

Does a-net or whoever ever do anything about bots or leechers?

When they are 100% sure that someone is a bot, they perma ban that account. But the bot's are only brought to the attention of anet if they are reported by players if you ask me. I seriously doubt that there is someone's whose job it is to soley seek out bots. Also, you must keep in mind the small size of anet staff dedicated to GW and how hard it would be to keep up with 100's of bots. Especially when they have to make detailed observations to ensure they are not just banning someone who just plays really hard-core.

Taco Fiend Taco · Nov 10, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

And you know this how? Are you working at 1 of these companies? If you aren't, then don't spread slander, and word of mouth is exactly a precise way of saying the truth.

That is funny stuff right there. Apply for a copywrite immediately before some comedian on tv rips you off. Hurry!!!

Star Gazer · Nov 10, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

Point 2. Bots that change part of the game (be it client, Memory or Gameserver side... especially gameserver side) can be detected by Anet.

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Point 3. Text mod is not a bot, it is a mod. it changes the graphics display of your game

lolwut?

companies would be stupid to invest money in a dying game. A dying game in which the economy is so screwed, that it would be pointless to profit from it. Anybody can make an easy 50-100k a day. If you need to resort to buying gold, your doing something wrong,

AtomicMew · Nov 10, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

lolwut?

companies would be stupid to invest money in a dying game. A dying game in which the economy is so screwed, that it would be pointless to profit from it. Anybody can make an easy 50-100k a day. If you need to resort to buying gold, your doing something wrong,

I can work minimum wage for an hour, buy 2 prophecies accounts and then sell them for 1200k gold. Or when XTH comes back up, I can just keep the account and make even more than that. If you are advising people to "work" for gold (e.g. farm) YOU are doing something wrong.

PS: texmod is NOT a bot, since it doesn't change the need for human input.

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

Then why aren't people getting banned for using it, or textmod? Both are 3rd party programs that Anet seems to be fine with. When was the last time you honestly saw someone get banned for drunk bot/textmod?

The fact that people don't get banned for it does not change the fact that it is "illegal" (e.g. not in accord with the EULA). A.net has stated drunk botting is in fact illegal, but you probably won't get banned for it. No one is arguing against the fact that A.net doesn't care. It's a simple risk-benefit analysis. If you're already done with everything except for drunkard title, you could drunk bot and probably get away with it.

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I bet those companies who sell gold would beg to differ. Publicity is still publicity, whether it be good or bad. But would you want someone spreading bad crap about you around? I assure you that you wouldn't, and I'm positive those companies are the same.

lol?

Bob Slydell · Nov 10, 2009, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

And you know this how? Are you working at 1 of these companies? If you aren't, then don't spread slander, and word of mouth is exactly a precise way of saying the truth.

The victim posted here about it.

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

Then why aren't people getting banned for using it, or textmod? Both are 3rd party programs that Anet seems to be fine with. When was the last time you honestly saw someone get banned for drunk bot/textmod?

Dunno about the drunk bot but I said stuff about TM in another thread as to why anet cannot, will not and never will ever be able to do anything about texmod unless they literally REQUIRE you to install a punkbuster type software when playing GW that disables GW.exe if texmod.exe is running but it is HIGHLY unlikely. And the reason that makes TM different from a bot program is that they don't DETECT these applications/processes running, they detect your robot like movements in game, I'm serious about that. If they find you doing the same stuff over and over again they will assume you are using a bot program (aka the excuse to ban you for '3rd party' usage, since bot software is 3rd party)

My Quote about texmod:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...30&postcount=5
Towards the bottom.

It's rather unfortunate that a lot of people on here don't know some of this stuff, but so be it. I've been using texmod for maybe 2-3 years now and I have done crazy stuff with texmod. TM's mods are temporary because they don't make modifications to the dat, just the textures running in your PC's memory.

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

I bet those companies who sell gold would beg to differ. Publicity is still publicity, whether it be good or bad. But would you want someone spreading bad crap about you around? I assure you that you wouldn't, and I'm positive those companies are the same.

Lmao, I bet too...but the funny thing is we are the safe ones, while they do shit that gets them closer and closer to serving a 5-10-15 year sentence in a nice federal prison for identity theft. They hack your game account ILLEGALLY, while putting ILLEGAL keyloggers on your computer ILLEGALLY. And some ILLEGALLY steal your credit card info and screw you over. Not all are like that, but MOST are. It's all about the money, not your customers. If you can hack your latest customer's acct info and make 5 times the amount they paid for their gold, in gold you farm and advertise in game its a go and theres too many suckers playing GW that'd fall for it.

So we'll say all we want about em' and couldn't care any less what they think, I love seeing them get angry.

gremlin · Nov 10, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by brainiac

Don't think you get the point. A bot is an automated thing that does that at a much faster rate than humans. It's not illegal for players to use builds in a certain way to beat the mechanics. It's the botting itself that is illegal, regardless of what the bot is doing.

Not at all I completely get the point, what I am saying is that if something is against the game rules then that's not for us to worry about its up to anet.

But as a player why should it matter to me.
Suppose bots take over the game as I said prices would tumble and botters would eventually find it no longer worth while.
By that time those running the bots would own every item of value in the game many times over and have every set of elite armour etc.

Does this affect me or any other player I really don't think it does unless I think having game stuff makes me someone important and now they are more important than me.
Fortunately I don't think that, and of course it was left to a pvp player to sum it up.

Its pve so who cares, well i'm a pve player and I don't care either.
Anet makes the rules anet enforces the rules I just play the game when and how I want.
If I ever find myself on a party with bots I will start to worry.

Deakon · Nov 11, 2009, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Not all those "conga line" monks at Bergen Hot Springs are bots. I've been farming decayed orr emblems like crazy getting ready for the holidays. I'm probably using a build similar to what the bots are using but I'm clicking, picking and zoning ad nauseum.

Kendil · Nov 11, 2009, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by gremlin

does it really matter ?

Someone finds a way to use a build that exploits game mechanics and farms items, that's ok even though its against the spirit of the game.
Then they write some code and hey presto the computer farms for them.

Prices tumble so what ?

If your after those items it makes it easier for you, its only tough luck on someone trying to get rich farming but not botting.

Would it spoil my enjoyment of the game if all materials were available for 1 gold, I doubt it I would still play the game the same way.

The problem is that the ones using bots cheat by using bots. The game should be played by people in order for the people to amuse themselves, not by bots made by some gold selling company that wants to get irl rich.

Nov 10, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#1
Show Some Skin Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dead. Guild: [Game] Profession: Rt/	More Bots in game it seems? I noticed that there alot more bots in-game than there was a few weeks ago. I do JQ regularly and i always see the same bots which has been a few months already. Plus theres the same bots advertising their website in GtoB and seems they never are banned. Does a-net or whoever ever do anything about bots or leechers?

Nov 10, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51	#2
Shayne Hawke Departed from Tyria Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth] Profession: R/	I think they do, but it's not visible. And I think other players report them for botting, but it's not visible.

Nov 10, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56	#3
dr love ...is in denial Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hyperion Guild: starcraft 2 Profession: P/Me	there's also some kind of monk bots that farm orr emblems, unid golds, lockpicks and dust. they then sell that stuff for under market price.

Nov 10, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20	#4
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	does it really matter ? Someone finds a way to use a build that exploits game mechanics and farms items, that's ok even though its against the spirit of the game. Then they write some code and hey presto the computer farms for them. Prices tumble so what ? If your after those items it makes it easier for you, its only tough luck on someone trying to get rich farming but not botting. Would it spoil my enjoyment of the game if all materials were available for 1 gold, I doubt it I would still play the game the same way.

Nov 10, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27	#5
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	won't bother me until somehow bots actually effect the parts of the game that actually matter. i.e. not some pve jq crap. it's not a big deal, there's bots in every game. no point in getting worked up over something that doesn't matter at all.

Nov 10, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58	#12
Rushin Roulette Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Right here Guild: Ende	If you want to see Bots, just go to the Bergen Bot Springs outpost, home of the everlasting Monk-Conga-Line ?????. As for anyone saying botting is illegal, or people wont get banned for botting (Especially the one comment about drunk bots). Point 1. Botting is NOT Illegal, but it is against Anets EULA. Meaning. If you bot, then you will definitely not be running the risk of any prison or financial fine. What you WILL be risking is getting a suspension or a ban for the account in question as the game and any character or item on the account is still property of Anet. Point 2. Bots that change part of the game (be it client, Memory or Gameserver side... especially gameserver side) can be detected by Anet. Just because a client running a bot has not been banned does not mean that you are immune for ever. It just means that either Anet have not thought of detecting that particular bot or they are currently not interested in banning for that particular bot at the moment. If Anet wanted to, they would be allowed to ban at any time (See point 1). it is then up to the disgression of Anet to un-ban you if you are friendly enough to the Support service person (remember; "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" fits really well in such a situation). Just ask any System administrator what can be detected in an active network(If you are playing GW, then you are part of the network) ona client machine. Point 3. Text mod is not a bot, it is a mod. it changes the graphics display of your game, not the soft and sometimes annoying part of the system that is needed to play the game (aka the Wetware). Bots make the player obsolete. The programs automatically play the game without human interaction. This also includes any Drunk-bots. Point 4. Grey areas do exist. Software Drunkbots are not permitted by the EULA, but Hardware bots, such as the programmable keys on Some Keyboards, are allowed and this has been publicly stated on GWG by the CRM at the time (Gaile Grey.. sorry if I misspelt the name). I can theoretically make a perfect drunk bot with my G11 Keyboard as I can include mouse commands and fixed intervals between commands and then set it to an infinitely repeating sequence. I wouldnt risk it though as it can easily be mistaken fro a software drunkbot. The same is true for any other farming type bot (if I had enough time and would want to, then a Bergens Bot would be easily possible).

Nov 11, 2009, 02:21 PM // 14:21	#19
Deakon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Arkansas Guild: Just The Four Of Us [TRIO] Profession: Mo/E	Not all those "conga line" monks at Bergen Hot Springs are bots. I've been farming decayed orr emblems like crazy getting ready for the holidays. I'm probably using a build similar to what the bots are using but I'm clicking, picking and zoning ad nauseum.